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		<title>From the archives: Che interviews Alexei Sayle for Black+White</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 22:17:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Robin Brown</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here's one of the highlights of those old Black+White magazines; Che's gonzo, strangely but aptly troubled interview with Alexei Sayle.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="font-family: Helvetica;"><strong>Due to some weird database shenanigans that have been going on, it&#8217;s been impossible to get what remains of <a href=http://www.blackandwhitemagazine.co.uk>Black+White</a> up on the net in any kind of sustainable or useful way.</p>
<p></strong></p>
<p style="font-family: Helvetica;">First it wasn&#8217;t indexable by Google, as the pages are generated dynamically, then we lost the CMS (we think it&#8217;s in Toxteth) and now all the internal linking structure has gone to cock.</p>
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So, I&#8217;ve given up on ever getting it on the web in any kind sustainable fashion, and decided to simply cannibalise some of the choice stuff on the blog. I&#8217;ve run out of time and patience and lost the inclination to faff about with it any more &#8211; even though I retain a lot of affection and pride for that time in my life and the people who made it what it was (I&#8217;m pouring out a metaphorical beer for my homies as I type this). </p>
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If you don&#8217;t know what the hell I&#8217;m on about, I used to edit a Liverpool in magazine that kicked the arses of all the other ones. If you&#8217;re of a mind to, you can still flick through the site by changing the number on the end of the article URLs to anywhere between one and 300. Think of it as a kind of lucky dip. Well, mainly lucky.</p>
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I&#8217;m about to embark on another, similar project, which has the advantage over B+W of starting its life online, and therefore not costing tens of thousands of pounds. Think of it as a new ship leaving a dry dock, passing the rusting hulk of its predecessor on the way out. </p>
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Anyway, here&#8217;s one of the highlights of those old B+W editions; Che&#8217;s gonzo, strangely but aptly troubled interview with Alexei Sayle.</p>
<blockquote><p>Picking up the rumbling mobile, the &#8217;1 new message&#8217; read &#8220;How &#8217;bout Alexei Sayle he&#8217;s got a new book out + said some dodgy stuff bout Hillsborough,&#8221; and thus the assignment began.</p>
<p>Having already polished off his previous collection of short stories under the title of The Dog Catcher, confidence was high that a novel was quite achievable, even if there was less than a week to get through it.</p>
<p>Jocasta, whose name had decreed since birth that she had to work in media, had arranged to send the new novel by Friday, and the interview would take place on the Thursday.</p>
<p>Friday became Saturday morn as the wonderful postal service had, in their almighty wisdom, sent the book to a sorting office selected at random from their list of &#8216;not on any map&#8217; sites. Now there was five days to get it read, actually four as Saturday would be taken up with other work, no, actually two as the &#8217;1 new voice message&#8217; informed me that the interview would now be on Tuesday. Great.</p>
<p>That weekend every available waking moment was spent studying this book, from the unsettling grinning clown on the front cover to the smiling Alexei on the inside back sleeve. A variety of public transport &#8211; coaches, buses and parents &#8211; all aided the process and, finally, on the 86 to Smithdown Road the last page was turned.</p>
<p>Tuesday rolled around with an equal amount of giddiness and fear, the sort associated with getting to have sex with someone so stunning you&#8217;re sure you&#8217;ll screw up but are just glad of the chance.</p>
<p>&#8220;Hi, it&#8217;s Che, I&#8217;m supposed to be doing an interview with you.&#8221; Pause.</p>
<p>&#8220;Er yeah is this for the Jewish Chronicle?&#8221; Good start.</p>
<p>After the confusion, the dialogue began stutteringly as a rhythm was sought, general questions about how much was based on Alexei&#8217;s own experiences. The fact that since he came from Liverpool and that the book is primarily based in and around the area it would seem to be a lot, but in reality it&#8217;s fiction based and the views of the characters. Especially Kelvin &#8211; the main character &#8211; who does share some of his views and experiences. But is essentially a character in a book, he added.</p>
<p>So what of his own views, I thought, was the famous Comrade Sayle now becoming more conservative in his opinions as seems to happen with age?</p>
<p>&#8220;In my case no&#8221; he laughed. &#8220;I think I&#8217;m less condemnatory of right wing people in that I think their views are wrong but I&#8217;m sympathetic to how they become like that, I mean that&#8217;s part of the subtext of the book.&#8221;</p>
<p>But why writing rather than comedy now?</p>
<p>&#8220;I like writing more than comedy as it&#8217;s less judgmental it&#8217;s never just black and white.&#8221; Mentally I note the cheap plug that could be drawn from this.</p>
<p>&#8220;It&#8217;s a deliberate attempt from me as I&#8217;m interested in being much more ambiguous and try to make the reader think.&#8221;</p>
<p>Was this where the problems arose regarding the Hillsborough disaster and his comments about &#8216;sentimentality&#8217;? Hesitantly and wearily he answered that he was trying to make a much more complex point which got boiled down.</p>
<p>&#8220;I was talking about the main character in the book, who suffers a catastrophe. Football has always consoled him but when he goes back to a match after this catastrophe he finds it doesn&#8217;t console him any more. That was why I made reference to Hillsborough. It wasn&#8217;t a joke.&#8221;</p>
<p>I debate whether to push the point further, but realise that the majority of people will have already made their minds up no matter what angle I pursue. Would the fact that his brother-in-law was missing at Hillsborough for over 5 hours gained understanding from those who hate him or just add to their hatred. Grey areas?</p>
<p>&#8220;Bad fiction, bad TV, bad movies: it&#8217;s all too easy for the viewer, bad guys dressed in black and the like, whereas life and fiction is much more complex and less constant. What I&#8217;m trying to do is get at the truth, which sounds pretentious, but I&#8217;m always prodding.&#8221;</p>
<p>We talk more about the investment you make when paying to enjoy yourself and dislike of state sponsorship of the arts, how he now understands the importance of winning the culture bid is to Liverpool, prodding away and opening up grey areas for people to think about.</p>
<p>In closing we talk about the book and how it tries to show coping with the randomness of events, loss of control and how difficult it actually is to come to terms with. </p>
<p>I thank Alexei for the interview and agree to come down to his book reading, but illness prohibits the encounter. I’m left with more grey areas and thoughts of the pies, the pies!</p></blockquote>
<p style="font-family: Helvetica;"><strong>• Written by Che Burnley for Black+White in 2003<br />
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		<title>Blackman and Robin Returns Forever</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 23:02:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Robin Brown</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I managed to dig out another old <a href=http://www.liverpoolcultureblog.co.uk/2009/01/blackman-and-robin/>Blackman &#038; Robin</a>, which first appeared in <a href=http://www.blackandwhitemagazine.co.uk>Black+White Magazine</a> over five years ago.

This story is undoubtedly the three of us at out creative peak or our most outrageously self-indulgent, depending on your opinion and involves a slew of celebrity appearances and pop culture references.

The celebs mainly conistsed of people we had a fondness for, but in the case of O'Leary it was simply somone we thought was an idiot. I've had always loved Sir Bobby Robson, so he was the obvious choice for a hero. The sadly-departed John Peel and Tony Wilson had been in the news recently, as had Alexie Sayle, following some unfortunate comments about Liverpool.

Pop culture references include Alexei Sayle's Stuff, Undercover Brother, Ghostbusters, The Five Doctors, Kill Bill, Terminator 2: Judgement Day, The Beatles, The Royle Family, Ali G and Transformers, though there are probably hal a dozen others if you look closely enough.

Eagle-eyed readers may notice Blackman and Robin and Unclee Bobby sharing a jacuzzi with Sting and Jimmy Nail, both of whom have breasts. I'm not sure why.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="font-family: Helvetica"><strong>I managed to dig out another old <a href=http://www.liverpoolcultureblog.co.uk/2009/01/blackman-and-robin/>Blackman &#038; Robin</a>, which first appeared in <a href=http://www.blackandwhitemagazine.co.uk>Black+White Magazine</a> over five years ago.</p>
<p></strong></p>
<p style="font-family: Helvetica">This story is undoubtedly the three of us at our creative peak or our most outrageously self-indulgent, depending on your opinion, and involves a slew of celebrity appearances and pop culture references.</p>
<p style="font-family: Helvetica">The celebs mainly consisted of people we had a fondness for, but in the case of O&#8217;Leary it was simply somone we thought was an idiot. I&#8217;ve always loved Sir Bobby Robson, so he was the obvious choice for a hero. The sadly-departed John Peel and Tony Wilson had been in the news recently, as had Alexei Sayle, following some unfortunate comments about Liverpool.</p>
<p style="font-family: Helvetica">Pop culture references include Alexei Sayle&#8217;s Stuff, Undercover Brother, Ghostbusters, The Five Doctors, Kill Bill, Terminator 2: Judgement Day, The Beatles, The Royle Family, Ali G and Transformers, though there are probably half a dozen others if you look closely enough.</p>
<p style="font-family: Helvetica">Eagle-eyed readers may notice Blackman and Robin and Uncle Bobby sharing a jacuzzi with Sting and Jimmy Nail, both of whom have breasts. I&#8217;m not sure why.</p>
<p style="font-family: Helvetica">• You’ll need to click on the links to view them at full size. They’re fairly hefty, so may take a few seconds to load. Click on them again to view them even larger.</p>
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<p style="font-family: Helvetica"><a href=http://www.liverpoolcultureblog.co.uk/?attachment_id=164>Blackman &#038; Robin Part 3 – Ham Spanner</a></p>
<p style="font-family: Helvetica"><a href=http://www.liverpoolcultureblog.co.uk/2009/01/blackman-and-robin/blackman-and-robin-4/>Blackman &#038; Robin Part 4 – Filthy Hot Jizz</a></p>
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<p style="font-family: Helvetica">• If you&#8217;re wondering what the hell this is, <a href=http://www.liverpoolcultureblog.co.uk/2009/01/blackman-and-robin/>click here</a>.</p>
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		<title>Blackman and Robin</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 00:05:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Robin Brown</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Blackman &#038; Robin, dreamt up in a pub, was an outrageously stupid and deliberately provocative comic strip in Liverpool's student newspaper that became an instant hit.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="font-family: Helvetica"><strong>A few years ago I was the editor of Liverpool&#8217;s only student newspaper, cunningly named Liverpool Student. I was the second editor of four and, like those who preceded and followed me in the role, found it an exacting task.</strong></p>
<p style="font-family: Helvetica">In amongst editing, picture editing, subbing, proofing, pagesetting, outputting and liaising with printers and ad execs I drank heavily, slept lightly and lived off the wares of the Hardman Pizza company around the corner. I became ill with stress and the lifestyle that came with editing the paper.</p>
<p style="font-family: Helvetica">So half way through the year I tried to find something to take my mind off the in-fighting, political intrigue at the unions and universities and general stress of it all. Much as I enoyed the job, worrying about third team JMU soccer results and the lunatic political dogma bored me as much as it probably bored our readers after a while.</p>
<p style="font-family: Helvetica">The result of all of this was Blackman &#038; Robin, dreamt up in a pub between myself and Che Burnley. Ben Hau and Paul Hardman helped with the design and suddenly Liverpool Student was publishing an outrageously stupid and deliberately provocative comic strip that became an instant hit.</p>
<p style="font-family: Helvetica">A heady blend of parody, pop-culture references, bizarre celebrity cameos, deliberately shoddy design, a preference for the scatological and a desire to offend the kind of people who hang around students&#8217; union political offices; the strip soon grew from three panels to a whole page.</p>
<p style="font-family: Helvetica">Later the strip was published in a magazine that a group of us created between 2003-2005 – <a href=http://www.liverpoolcultureblog.co.uk/blackandwhite/bwindex.php>Black+White Magazine</a>. Che became a minor celebrity in the city as a result. We retired it before the last edition before we genuinely offended someone.</p>
<p style="font-family: Helvetica">Blackman isn&#8217;t a massive extension of Che&#8217;s personality – he likes bacon, booze and wrestling – but &#8216;Robin&#8217; is a foot-high chain-smoking homosexual. Their natural enemies are people who embrace political correctness for all the wrong reasons and, as Che is black and Ben is Chinese (via Leicester), we felt qualified to poke fun at these types.</p>
<p style="font-family: Helvetica">An unlikely cast of characters grew from the original concept, including Bobby Robson, David O&#8217;Leary, Tanni Grey-Thompson, Ricky Tomlinson, Alexei Sayle, darts player Les Wallace, Alex Ferguson and Gerard Houllier sprang up, based on people we liked, disliked, or were in the news at the time.</p>
<p style="font-family: Helvetica">It&#8217;s hard to discern now, but B&#038;R&#8217;s modus operandi was to point out the hypocrisy and cant evident among many of the people who aspire to be student politicians. If we got a rise then so much the better.</p>
<p style="font-family: Helvetica">When I look back now I&#8217;m not sure B&amp;R is even defensible on the grounds we set out at the time. While our intentions may have been noble enough, the result is pretty much an obscene tits&#8217;n'willies comic strip that wouldn&#8217;t be out of place in a Viz knock-off.</p>
<p style="font-family: Helvetica">Thing is, I still find it hilariously funny. Admittedly it&#8217;s my creation – the fairly obscure references will leave most nonplussed, the celebrities make sense only if you share our likes and dislikes and there&#8217;s a huge parade of characters based on people we knew.</p>
<p style="font-family: Helvetica">Nevertheless, I&#8217;ve decided to republish them on the blog, if only for the benefit of the people I made it with.</p>
<p style="font-family: Helvetica">We weighed up a Capital of Culture edition of the strip last year as a limited run, but the results were so absurdly over-the-top, and likely libellous, they didn&#8217;t really merit it.</p>
<p style="font-family: Helvetica">Maybe one day, Blackman &#038; Robin will be needed again. Until then, wonder at the two strips below.</p>
<p style="font-family: Helvetica">• You&#8217;ll need to click on the links to view them at full size. They&#8217;re fairly hefty, so may take a few seconds to load. Click on them again to view them even larger.</p>
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<p style="font-family: Helvetica"><a href=http://www.liverpoolcultureblog.co.uk/2009/01/blackman-and-robin/blackman-and-robin-1/>Blackman &#038; Robin Part 1</a></p>
<p style="font-family: Helvetica"><a href=http://www.liverpoolcultureblog.co.uk/2009/01/blackman-and-robin/blackman-and-robin-2/>Blackman &#038; Robin Part 2</a></p>
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